Neurolenses Demonstrate Headache Relief in New Study - StreetInsider.com

Noooooooo!!!!
 
I would have added the post to the other thread, but the NewsBot posts are a separate thing.
 
Wait, is this just a spin on the exact same study that showed they didn't work?


"Conclusions: NL produced a statistically significant decrease in the impact of headaches on individuals’ quality of life compared with placebo. Although the overall magnitude of the decrease was not clinically significant, a clinically meaningful improvement with NL cannot be ruled out with high certainty in the current study."

uh...
 
I'm not sure...that's one reason why I posted it here.
 
FAKE
 
NEWS
 
Here they go again, published scientific nonsense.

“Neurolenses Proven to Reduce Headache Symptoms

The current report highlights the data from the recently published double-masked, randomized Headache Study . Based on the clinical study data, Neurolenses provide a statistically significant improvement in headache symptoms. A quick literature review suggests that the improvement noted in the current study is on par with several commercially available pharmacological solutions. The Neurolens process provides a simple and effective way to detect, diagnose and treat patients with digital eyestrain and headaches.*



*Efficacy & adverse events have been fully evaluated and discussed in the peer-reviewed publication.”



The following are my comments related to that publication of their study.

Labhishetty V, Cortes J, van de Pol C, et al. Impact of Neurolens Use on the Quality of Life in Individuals With Headaches: A Randomized Double-Masked, Cross-Over Clinical Trial. Transl Vis Sci Technol. Jan 2 2024;13(1):27. doi:10.1167/tvst.13.1.27


Lynn Mitchell Phd at the OSU College of Optometry and I met, at the request of the president of Neurolens to discuss the results with their “people”. She concurred with my conclussions.



Personally, I have always had trouble understanding why Neurolens would work. It defies all our current understanding of the interaction of the accommodative-vergence system whereby fixation disparity is believed to be a disparity error which drives fast vergence response. The accommodative/vergence system relies on multiple feedback systems to further reduce the load of vergence demand (ACA, CAC, proximal vergence, fast vergence and slow vergence).2-6 Lastly, over time the muscles actually change the number of sarcomeres to further reduce the load. There is ample evidence from numerous laboratories that this redundant system usually is successful in initiating a rapid accommodative/vergence response.7 To complicate the matter, neither the time performed doing near work, nor the effort expended accommodation/vergence has been put into this or other paradigms. I have always maintained that the symptomatic patient with binocular problems can be easily identified since they are usually symptomatic from testing.8 The authors of this Neurolens paper, in my opinion, incorrectly interpreted the CITT’s findings by noting that one test does not correlate with a diagnosis of symptomatic CI, but they seem to ignore that the CITT group did find that a cluster of 3 signs is significant for symptomatic CI.9 In summary, Neurolens has ignored all of these complexities and created an apparatus to objectively measure the deviation at distance and near to prescribe a prism at distance based on their proprietary algorithm and arbitrarily add .75 BI at near.



Recently, Neurolens performed and published a study to determine the effectivity of their contoured prism prescription.1 They performed a clinical trial whereby they measured primary outcome by using a 6-question questionnaire (HIT-6) to quantify headaches (HA). The HIT-6 has been used in numerous studies. A score of 36 indicated no headache, while a score of 78 indicated a severe HA. Smelt et. al. reported that you needed a minimum change of 2.6 by statistical analysis or 6.0 by ROC to have any clinical meaning.10



Eligible subjects for the Neurolens study needed a score of greater than 56 and all had normal stereopsis. Baseline information was measured, the mean findings of relevance were: distance phoria was 2 X and the near finding 5 X’; the base out fusional reserves = 15 pd which is low; and lastly the mean distance Neurolens measurement was 1.3 pd BO.



Phase 1 testing score of recruited patients = 65

Phase 2 patients are given new glasses to correct RE = 63 (regression towards the mean and correction, as expected improved the score



Phase 3 A-B reversal design half wear Neurolens and half wear control tested after 20 days of wear; then tested at around day 30; then the Neurolens patients wear the control and the control is prescribed the Neurolens for 20 days testing and testing around day 30.



Control = 61 which is a slight placebo effect

Neurolens = 58 which is not much better (but statistically significant even if not clinically significant)

Change between the two treatment groups was 1.53 points” which is not clinically significant AND furthermore, we do not know if that differences would be maintained over time. To put this in perspective, there was a 5% improvement with Neurolens and 2% with control. Add to that, in most treatment studies the initial results wain somewhat over time.



In summary, Neurolens was not found to have been clinically effective in reducing symptoms of HAs. To date the most effective method of reducing or eliminating symptoms related to binocular problems, which include more than headaches (Convergence Insufficiency Clinical Trials - CITT) is in office vision therapy with supplemental home therapy.11 Granted the CITT studies were only done on Cis but those of us who provide in office therapy and use the CITT symptom survey see similar results with other binocular problems. Lastly, those who still ascribe to Neurolens, I ask what do they for their contact lens patients? Vision therapy changes both the reflexive nature of fast and slow vergence with a lasting effect. It works with either glasses or contact lenses. When will our professions properly identify accommodative/vergence anomalies and recommend the most appropriate treatment (evidence based) for our patients?



1. Labhishetty V, Cortes J, van de Pol C, et al. Impact of Neurolens Use on the Quality of Life in Individuals With Headaches: A Randomized Double-Masked, Cross-Over Clinical Trial. Transl Vis Sci Technol. Jan 2 2024;13(1):27. doi:10.1167/tvst.13.1.27

2. Cooper J. Clinical implications of vergence adaptation. Optom Vis Sci. Apr 1992;69(4):300-7.

3. Cooper J, Scheiman M. American Optometric Association Clinical Practice Guideline. Care of the subject with accommodative and vergence dysfunction. American Optometric Association. 2010: .

4. Schor CM. Analysis of tonic and accommodative vergence disorders of binocular vision. American journal of optometry and physiological optics. Jan 1983;60(1):1-14.

5. Alvarez TL, Scheiman M, Santos EM, et al. Clinical and Functional Imaging Changes Induced from Vision Therapy in Patients with Convergence Insufficiency. Annual International Conference of the IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society Annual International Conference. Jul 2019;2019:104-109. doi:10.1109/EMBC.2019.8857163

6. Scheiman M, Talasan H, Alvarez TL. Objective Assessment of Disparity Vergence after Treatment of Symptomatic Convergence Insufficiency in Children. Optom Vis Sci. Jan 2019;96(1):3-16. doi:10.1097/OPX.0000000000001320

7. Guyton DL. The 10th Bielschowsky Lecture. Changes in strabismus over time: the roles of vergence tonus and muscle length adaptation. Binocular vision & strabismus quarterly. 2006;21(2):81-92.

8. Cooper J, Jamal N. Convergence insufficiency-a major review. Optometry (St Louis, Mo. Apr 2012;83(4):137-58.

9. Rouse MW, Borsting E, Deland PN. Reliability of binocular vision measurements used in the classification of convergence insufficiency. Optom Vis Sci. Apr 2002;79(4):254-64.

10. Smelt AF, Assendelft WJ, Terwee CB, Ferrari MD, Blom JW. What is a clinically relevant change on the HIT-6 questionnaire? An estimation in a primary-care population of migraine patients. Cephalalgia : an international journal of headache. Jan 2014;34(1):29-36. doi:10.1177/0333102413497599

11. Group. CITTS. Randomized clinical trial of treatments for symptomatic convergence insufficiency in children. Archives of ophthalmology. Oct 2008;126(10):1336-49. doi:126/10/1336 [pii]
 
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I can't understand experimental design or statistical analysis.

Common sense dictates they wouldn't work.

And it has all the hallmarks of a grift.
 
Wait, is this just a spin on the exact same study that showed they didn't work?


"Conclusions: NL produced a statistically significant decrease in the impact of headaches on individuals’ quality of life compared with placebo. Although the overall magnitude of the decrease was not clinically significant, a clinically meaningful improvement with NL cannot be ruled out with high certainty in the current study."

uh...
YES
 
meh, my feeling is that published research in just about any field is suspicious, and it seems like it is getting worse. Either they are selling a product, are ideologically captured, or for some other reason their conclusions are just flat out wrong.
 
meh, my feeling is that published research in just about any field is suspicious, and it seems like it is getting worse. Either they are selling a product, are ideologically captured, or for some other reason their conclusions are just flat out wrong.
Neurolens GIVES me a headache with their repetitive nonsense: how can something which starts at ZERO prism and then proceeds incrementally to near ZERO prism do anything?
 
Neurolens GIVES me a headache with their repetitive nonsense: how can something which starts at ZERO prism and then proceeds incrementally to near ZERO prism do anything?
You forget the mighty powers of placebo. The greatest medicine know to man. People have made fortunes off of snake oil.
 
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Neurolens GIVES me a headache with their repetitive nonsense: how can something which starts at ZERO prism and then proceeds incrementally to near ZERO prism do anything?
my personal experience with Neurolens was no thank you, but nowhere does it start with zero prism and end with zero.

the idea is less asthenopia by contouring prism or whatever term they use. basically meaning trying to keep optical alignment at all times. almost chiropractic for the eyes if you will

a very Keiner product in my eyes, yet hes always poo-pood it
 
Yesterday I saw a 24 yof who just completed first year of medical school. shes 20/20 distance and near w/o correction. but last year another provider gave her -0.25-0.25 OU. she said its the greatest thing ever. she can now see "the screens" better, meaning the monitors and such.

eyesight is a complex beast
 
Depends on axis of astigmatism...


True variable prism would revolutionize optics, but it seems impossible.
 
hows this for a simple problem: I've done ortho-k for years. -5.50. treatment OZ isnt the best and get halos at night.

so I called our lens lab and asked if they could somehow do a lens that is plano but creates peripheral minus power.

He said no. they could maybe cut a button out but even then there would be a terrible junction.

but that got me thinking. would that fix my halos? or even reduce them? and I that dumb to not understand the real optics of the eyes?
 
hows this for a simple problem: I've done ortho-k for years. -5.50. treatment OZ isnt the best and get halos at night.

so I called our lens lab and asked if they could somehow do a lens that is plano but creates peripheral minus power.

He said no. they could maybe cut a button out but even then there would be a terrible junction.

but that got me thinking. would that fix my halos? or even reduce them? and I that dumb to not understand the real optics of the eyes?
You'd have to have a lens that registers perfectly with the eye, which is why scleral lenses are handy. Have you tried a miotic at night? -Charlie
 
Yesterday I saw a 24 yof who just completed first year of medical school. shes 20/20 distance and near w/o correction. but last year another provider gave her -0.25-0.25 OU. she said its the greatest thing ever. she can now see "the screens" better, meaning the monitors and such.

eyesight is a complex beast
The brain is complex.
 
Is there not an old Kodak PAL that does the same thing as Neurones; a little bit of BI in the near segment?
Yes but they sold it to Neurolens. I called Signet/Armorlite on this one.
 
Neurolens GIVES me a headache with their repetitive nonsense: how can something which starts at ZERO prism and then proceeds incrementally to near ZERO prism do anything?
You forget the mighty powers of placebo. The greatest medicine know to man. People have made fortunes off of snake oil.
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If you have a good product backed by science, you are not afraid of people questioning your product.
 
If you have a good product backed by science, you are not afraid of people questioning your product.
That is why all advertisers on ODwire.org are allowed a senior executive to monitor the posts and respond when there is criticism of their product or service.
 
Id bet 20 cents that neurolens was really surprised by the amount of criticism and pushback they received from the industry.
 
my personal experience with Neurolens was no thank you, but nowhere does it start with zero prism and end with zero.

the idea is less asthenopia by contouring prism or whatever term they use. basically meaning trying to keep optical alignment at all times. almost chiropractic for the eyes if you will

a very Keiner product in my eyes, yet hes always poo-pood it
So it starts with NEAR zero and progresses gradually to a fraction less than NEAR zero

I don't know if it's chiropractic for the eye. I personally have benefitted from chiropractic care. I would call neurolens more like homeopathic optometry for the eye.
 
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So it starts with NEAR zero and progresses gradually to a fraction less than NEAR zero

I don't know if it's chiropractic for the eye. I personally have benefitted from chiropractic care. I would call neurolens more like homeopathic optometry for the eye.
no. it does an alignment analysis using its proprietary machine. than customizes the prism so always aligned.

for pts with near zero they would not be a 'candidate' for the lens.

it is an interesting concept and I applaud the inventor. and some people swear by it. was not my experience but such is life
 
no. it does an alignment analysis using its proprietary machine. than customizes the prism so always aligned.

for pts with near zero they would not be a 'candidate' for the lens.

it is an interesting concept and I applaud the inventor. and some people swear by it. was not my experience but such is life
IIRC it gets to something like 0.375 (3/8)^. That's just over 0.25^. In my book, that ain't too far from zero.
 
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IIRC it gets to something like 0.375 (3/8)^. That's just over 0.25^. In my book, that ain't too far from zero.
heres how you know it isnt. you overdo or under the amount for neurolens and people have issues. so the lens is definitely doing something and actually does influence headaches.

do I buy all the trigeminal nerve stuff? only Lloyd knows. and probably weihAIn
 
No, I KNOW.

It's a prism GRADIENT, girls.

"Gradient" means that "it get bigger and it get bigger".

So, if you prescribe 2^ BI for distance viewing, you get 2^ + 2^ at the near reference point.

2 + 2 = 4.

So you get all of that sweet prism.

And, as optometrists that prescribe NeUrOLEns, we are changing LIVES!
 
heres how you know it isnt. you overdo or under the amount for neurolens and people have issues. so the lens is definitely doing something and actually does influence headaches.

do I buy all the trigeminal nerve stuff? only Lloyd knows. and probably weihAIn
There is so little difference between the distance and near prism in this lens as to be almost negligible. I've been a fan of prism during my career, but declaring "definitely" that Neurolens "is definitely doing something and actually does influence headaches" based on your experience, in the face of a study that suggests it is no better than placebo, is a stretch. -Charlie
 
There is so little difference between the distance and near prism in this lens as to be almost negligible. I've been a fan of prism during my career, but declaring "definitely" that Neurolens "is definitely doing something and actually does influence headaches" based on your experience, in the face of a study that suggests it is no better than placebo, is a stretch. -Charlie

Not much different than myopia control.
 
Not much different than myopia control.
I was surprised when the myopia control folks started making "the sky is falling" claims with 50% increases in myopic macular degeneration with higher myopia when the incidence was very low to begin with. Myopia control lost some credibility in my mind with those claims.

That said, the evidence that myopia control strategies significantly reduce myopia progression/endpoints is very hard to argue with at this point. Which is not the same as Neurolens in my opinion. Their claims remind me of the debunked Enchroma glasses. This is coming from a guy who frequently prescribes prism and at times decenters segs to induce a little bit of BI prism. -Charlie
 
I was surprised when the myopia control folks started making "the sky is falling" claims with 50% increases in myopic macular degeneration with higher myopia when the incidence was very low to begin with. Myopia control lost some credibility in my mind with those claims.

That said, the evidence that myopia control strategies significantly reduce myopia progression/endpoints is very hard to argue with at this point. Which is not the same as Neurolens in my opinion. Their claims remind me of the debunked Enchroma glasses. This is coming from a guy who frequently prescribes prism and at times decenters segs to induce a little bit of BI prism. -Charlie

Valid points but I still think and I may be wrong but optometry follows money and until a study comes through that says myopia is dangerous to ur health or eye health I think it is a money grab. How did ur red light work out?
 
Valid points but I still think and I may be wrong but optometry follows money and until a study comes through that says myopia is dangerous to ur health or eye health I think it is a money grab. How did ur red light work out?
We know pretty clearly that higher levels of myopia are associated with poorer uncorrected eyesight. I don't think it should be exaggerated, but there is increased risk of pathology associated with myopia as well.

(The red light therapy you're probably referring to is low level light therapy or, as LCT likes to call it, photobiomodulation. I have mixed feelings. We recruited a good number of skeptics to undergo treatment and some of them swear by it, others not. I'm still in the skeptics' camp myself.) -Charlie
 
No, I KNOW.

It's a prism GRADIENT, girls.

"Gradient" means that "it get bigger and it get bigger".

So, if you prescribe 2^ BI for distance viewing, you get 2^ + 2^ at the near reference point.

2 + 2 = 4.

So you get all of that sweet prism.

And, as optometrists that prescribe NeUrOLEns, we are changing LIVES!
Are they prescribing BI prism for everyone? That means for myopes they are getting in effect more BI over top of their induced BI and hyperopes are getting reduced BO over top of their induced BO (based on Prentice's rule).

So which do we want: more BI or less BI? You can't have it both ways for everybody.

Does neur-0-lens prescribe differently based on refractive error type?
 
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You're asking the right questions, IMO, Joel.
 
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I have brought this up at least 5 times. It is very difficult to find where to become a supporting member. Every page should have something to click on to become a member.
 
Yesterday I saw a 24 yof who just completed first year of medical school. shes 20/20 distance and near w/o correction. but last year another provider gave her -0.25-0.25 OU. she said its the greatest thing ever. she can now see "the screens" better, meaning the monitors and such.

eyesight is a complex beast
Perhaps moderate exo posture dist and near unaided?