Eye Doctor Claims Chain Store Overbooks - Courthouse News Service

This could get good...

Are ABC ODs employed? Technically WM/Sam's docs are leasing, right?

It's pretty funny that about half of the google hits for ABC are patient complaints.

It's also funny that the first hit is a complaint. It's pretty bad when you're a company that big and you can't get your own web site to come up first on a google search.

ETA: NVI does say it employs OD at ABC. Wonder how that works. Depends on the state, I guess
 
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I don't disagree with anything Dr. Johnson says, and wish him luck.
 
So are they bankrupt or just re-organizing? Why are they opening stores up in new markets and if one associates with them are they putting their futures in jeopardy? They (AmBest) called me and everything sounds like roses.;)
 
READING, Pa. (CN) - An optometrist claims that one of the country's largest optical retailers is "dangerously over-booking exams" and illegally impinging on its optometrists' professional judgment to maximize profit. National Vision, which has 229 outlets in Wal-Marts across the country, does not allow "enough time to properly care for patients that have recently received contacts, had cataract extractions, or other surgeries requiring post-op care," Dr. James Johnson claims in Berks County Court.
Johnson says he has maintained a practice at one of National Vision's outlets since 1993. He claims the Lawrenceville, Ga.-based company's suboccupancy agreements illegally control optometrists by establishing master-servant relationships that violate the prohibition against practicing optometry without a license. The suboccupancy agreements provide optometrists space to conduct exams in "The Vision Center(s)" inside Wal Marts.
Only recently, in the wake of a bankruptcy filing, has the company begun intensively enforcing the agreements, cramming optometrists' schedules in an effort to increase revenue, Johnson says.
He also claims that National Vision is wrongfully terminating his suboccupancy agreement though he has not defaulted.
Johnson demands that National Vision rescind its termination notice and stop interfering with his 10,000-plus patient practice. He is represented by Joseph O'Keefe with O'Keefe & Sher of Kutztown, Pa.
The only defendant in the case is National Vision. It is the fourth-largest optical retailer in the United States, employing more than 4,400 people at more than 500 outlets in 44 states, according to the complaint. It also has outlets inside Fred Meyer department stores and on military bases
 
He also claims that National Vision is wrongfully terminating his suboccupancy agreement though he has not defaulted.

In other words, he would have said nothing if they weren't trying to give him the boot.
 
I know for a fact that America's Best lures OD's in with starting pay of 100K. For this, you are expected to see 8 patient's an hour, or essentially a patient every 7.5 minutes. FDT screenings are sold as a substitute to a DFEs by the AB technicians.
 
I know for a fact that America's Best lures OD's in with starting pay of 100K. For this, you are expected to see 8 patient's an hour, or essentially a patient every 7.5 minutes. FDT screenings are sold as a substitute to a DFEs by the AB technicians.

Seeing 8 patients an hour is no picnic even if you have techs doing full workups and a scribe with you.
 
Hire enough staff, bill medical when you can, suck it up for 10-15 years and retire. Their providing the food for the OD, he just needs to learn how to eat.
 
Hire enough staff, bill medical when you can, suck it up for 10-15 years and retire. Their providing the food for the OD, he just needs to learn how to eat.


If you can diagnose and treat medical conditions on a 7.5 minute schedule you must be magic.

That speed = crap care.

Of course ABC = crap care.
 
It can be done, and with good care. It just takes a lot of experience, very very good support staff, and very little chit chat. Any one of those components is gone, and care=crap.


Honestly, who would ever want to work like that? Would be very similar to working in a factory.
 
i used to work in an hmo in chicago. I was told if the patient asked to see the previous lens again, the answer was no. I lasted about year.

Jim levinson, o.d.

lmao!
 
Every glaucoma and retinal specialist I've ever seen, and the majority of general ophthalmologists:rolleyes:

Indeed. Ones I have been around average 30-40 per day. That is still a little more time that quoted above.
 
Thats hilarious! I literally laughed out loud on that one.

Were the patients instructed not to speak any more than "one" or "two" and avoid all eye contact with the doctor too?

I was going to ask how a place like that would stay in business, then I reread it....HMO.



I used to work in an HMO in chicago. I was told if the patient asked to see the previous lens again, the answer was no. I lasted about year.

Jim Levinson, O.D.
 
Indeed. Ones I have been around average 30-40 per day. That is still a little more time that quoted above.

That's funny, that's about what I average during busy season. And I'm considered the doctor who spends extra time talking to patients at our practice!

And yet, we're rarely short on volume of patients to see...

Anyway, I externed under a retinal doc who had 60 patient days pretty regularly.
 
Honestly, once you get rid of the refraction and have a tech do the workup/pressures/dilate, you can see a gazillion a day. OK, maybe not a gazillion, just a quadrillion.
 
Honestly, once you get rid of the refraction and have a tech do the workup/pressures/dilate, you can see a gazillion a day. OK, maybe not a gazillion, just a quadrillion.


Getting rid of the refraction is a TERRIBLE idea for this profession! I can't state this enough. We should NOT have techs/opticians doing our refractions for us. Moves us one step closer to British Columbia and their stand alone optician sight tests.
 
Getting rid of the refraction is a TERRIBLE idea for this profession! I can't state this enough. We should NOT have techs/opticians doing our refractions for us. Moves us one step closer to British Columbia and their stand alone optician sight tests.

we disagree about a lot of stuff, but you hit a homerun here. The minute we convince law makers that refractions aren't doctor level endeavors, this profession will wither and die.
 
Getting rid of the refraction is a TERRIBLE idea for this profession! I can't state this enough. We should NOT have techs/opticians doing our refractions for us. Moves us one step closer to British Columbia and their stand alone optician sight tests.

Scott,

I do all my own refractions. I'm in an OMD clinic and we have two Marco Epics - I won't use them on my patients. I think I've stated before on this board that Gary Gerber is in favor of delegating just about everything but refraction.

But there are a lot of O.D.s out there drinking the Marco Kool-Aid and making the move to delegate refraction. I agree, it's has the potential of being a slippery slope.
 
Getting rid of the refraction is a TERRIBLE idea for this profession! I can't state this enough. We should NOT have techs/opticians doing our refractions for us. Moves us one step closer to British Columbia and their stand alone optician sight tests.

I agree Scott, but the sad fact is that there are already ODs delegating the refraction.
 
If you can diagnose and treat medical conditions on a 7.5 minute schedule you must be magic.

That speed = crap care.

Of course ABC = crap care.

There's an OMD in Houston who books patients every 5 minutes. He wants to see 100 patients per day. There are many other OMDs who see patients every 5-10 minutes. Most ODs don't have this volume, and if they did they would obviously need to learn how to deligate better.

Of course if ODs had that much volume, somebody would open another school.:D
 
There's an OMD in Houston who books patients every 5 minutes. He wants to see 100 patients per day. There are many other OMDs who see patients every 5-10 minutes. Most ODs don't have this volume, and if they did they would obviously need to learn how to deligate better.

Of course if ODs had that much volume, somebody would open another school.:D


Steve, if many of us this saw this volume half of us would be out of work! :eek:
 
But the OMDs are responsible for less than we are. They just concentrate on the patient's ocular health, not the total eyecare.

Deal with the amount of pathology your average OMD sees, and you won't be saying "responsible for less". Just responsible for different things.

Like making sure the end stage glaucoma patient makes his follow ups, following up with constant lab tests, consulting other physicians on a daily basis, fitting in the occasional trip to the hospital for a consult, etc.

And yes, I'm slowly being pulled to the Dark Side of jr. ophthalmology...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I know for a fact that America's Best lures OD's in with starting pay of 100K. For this, you are expected to see 8 patient's an hour, or essentially a patient every 7.5 minutes. FDT screenings are sold as a substitute to a DFEs by the AB technicians.

hmmmm I make that much seeing one patient an hour.
 
Maybe I just don't understand the problem here. How hard is it to say no? Anyone will take advantage of you if you let them. Just don't take jobs where you're going to be be mistreated.
 
Maybe I just don't understand the problem here. How hard is it to say no? Anyone will take advantage of you if you let them. Just don't take jobs where you're going to be be mistreated.

Steven's right. Always be sure to ask if a potential employer plans to abuse you and don't take the job if they say the plan to do so.
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Only way to know is to talk to the previous doc if possible.
 
Maybe I just don't understand the problem here. How hard is it to say no? Anyone will take advantage of you if you let them. Just don't take jobs where you're going to be be mistreated.


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